Comments on: Crowd-to-Core, Quality Control and Problem-Free http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/ Pushing Boundary-Free GroupLife Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mark Howell http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-570 Mark Howell Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:30:33 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-570 Thanks Josh. I have read Coleman's Master Plan of Evangelism, but really believe it is an excellent tool for learning how to invest in people. It isn't intended to be taken as a timeline of Jesus' ministry. I think it's more commonly held that Jesus selected the 12 about midway through his 3 year ministry. I don't want to slip too far afield from the idea that it's not that there wouldn't be core-to-crowd elements at work at all times. I've just found it to be less compelling to believe that depending on the building into a few with the idea that they're going to go out is an effective strategy. Thanks Josh. I have read Coleman’s Master Plan of Evangelism, but really believe it is an excellent tool for learning how to invest in people. It isn’t intended to be taken as a timeline of Jesus’ ministry. I think it’s more commonly held that Jesus selected the 12 about midway through his 3 year ministry.

I don’t want to slip too far afield from the idea that it’s not that there wouldn’t be core-to-crowd elements at work at all times. I’ve just found it to be less compelling to believe that depending on the building into a few with the idea that they’re going to go out is an effective strategy.

]]> By: Mark Howell http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-569 Mark Howell Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:22:46 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-569 Thanks for jumping in Mike! I understand what you're thinking, but I think it's actually more likely that the identification of the 12 (and of the 3) happened after Jesus had already begun to develop a reputation and gather a following. In fact, many scholars believe that he chose the 12 about midway through his 3 year ministry. Thanks for jumping in Mike! I understand what you’re thinking, but I think it’s actually more likely that the identification of the 12 (and of the 3) happened after Jesus had already begun to develop a reputation and gather a following. In fact, many scholars believe that he chose the 12 about midway through his 3 year ministry.

]]> By: Mike Mack http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-566 Mike Mack Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:50:34 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-566 I think Michael Wardell just defined what I'd call the strategy I'm using at our church: "core to crowd to core." But, as Josh is saying, I believe it <b>must</b> start with the core. While Jesus didn't come just to give us a bunch of strategies, I think we can certainly learn a lot from how he carried out his ministry. Jesus didn't start with the 12. He started with the 3, his core team that he personally invested into. I think Michael Wardell just defined what I’d call the strategy I’m using at our church: “core to crowd to core.” But, as Josh is saying, I believe it must start with the core. While Jesus didn’t come just to give us a bunch of strategies, I think we can certainly learn a lot from how he carried out his ministry. Jesus didn’t start with the 12. He started with the 3, his core team that he personally invested into.

]]> By: Josh Hunt http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-564 Josh Hunt Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:06:37 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-564 Have you read Coleman's classic Master Plan of Evangelism? Everything I know about this I learned from him. Here is the opening lines: It all started by Jesus calling a few men to follow him. This revealed immediately the direction his evangelistic strategy would take. His concern was not with programs to reach the multitudes, but with men whom the multitudes would follow. Remarkable as it may seem, Jesus started to gather these men before he ever organized an evangelistic campaign or even preached a sermon in public. Men were to be his method of winning the world to God.The Master Plan of Evangelism. Josh Hunt Good Questions Have Groups Talking www.joshhunt.com Have you read Coleman’s classic Master Plan of Evangelism? Everything I know about this I learned from him. Here is the opening lines:

It all started by Jesus calling a few men to follow him. This revealed immediately the direction his evangelistic strategy would take. His concern was not with programs to reach the multitudes, but with men whom the multitudes would follow. Remarkable as it may seem, Jesus started to gather these men before he ever organized an evangelistic campaign or even preached a sermon in public. Men were to be his method of winning the world to God.The Master Plan of Evangelism.

Josh Hunt
Good Questions Have Groups Talking
http://www.joshhunt.com

]]> By: Mark Howell http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-563 Mark Howell Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:00:06 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-563 A valid question...but I believe if you look carefully at the Gospels you find that Jesus gathered a crowd, gave them opportunities to take spiritual next steps, and selected the Apostles about midway through his 3 year ministry. In a core-to-crowd strategy he would have <em>begun</em> with the 12, poured into them exclusively, and run a down-line operation (like G12) prior to His Ascension. A valid question…but I believe if you look carefully at the Gospels you find that Jesus gathered a crowd, gave them opportunities to take spiritual next steps, and selected the Apostles about midway through his 3 year ministry. In a core-to-crowd strategy he would have begun with the 12, poured into them exclusively, and run a down-line operation (like G12) prior to His Ascension.

]]> By: Josh Hunt http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-562 Josh Hunt Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:46:42 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-562 WWJD? He seemed to be core to crowd. Josh Hunt www.joshhunt.com WWJD?

He seemed to be core to crowd.

Josh Hunt
http://www.joshhunt.com

]]> By: Mark Howell http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-561 Mark Howell Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:41:34 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-561 Thanks for jumping in Mike! You observation takes me back to my answer to Matt Harmer <a href="http://www.markhowelllive.com/the-difference-between-a-cell-group-and-a-small-group-a-response/#comments" rel="nofollow">in the article</a> that preceded this one. It's not that you wouldn't have some core-to-crowd elements at play (such as the development of coaches), it's that you wouldn't emphasize both equally or in the same way. Developing coaches would need to happen but wouldn't happen from the platform on Sunday a.m. Thanks for jumping in Mike! You observation takes me back to my answer to Matt Harmer in the article that preceded this one. It’s not that you wouldn’t have some core-to-crowd elements at play (such as the development of coaches), it’s that you wouldn’t emphasize both equally or in the same way. Developing coaches would need to happen but wouldn’t happen from the platform on Sunday a.m.

]]> By: Michael Wardell http://www.markhowelllive.com/crowd-to-core-quality-control-and-problem-free/comment-page-1/#comment-560 Michael Wardell Fri, 15 Jan 2010 06:43:27 +0000 http://www.markhowelllive.com/?p=2033#comment-560 I don't know. I never thought of it as an either-or question. I guess the Crowd to core has more failures, but many more successes, so net kingdom win. Then again, the coaches need to come from somewhere, and having some when you start really helps bootstrap up. A least to me. So I could see a core to core and a crowd to core working together. Kind of like Jesus preaching, and his disciples. Or the disciples and the deacons. I don’t know. I never thought of it as an either-or question. I guess the Crowd to core has more failures, but many more successes, so net kingdom win. Then again, the coaches need to come from somewhere, and having some when you start really helps bootstrap up. A least to me. So I could see a core to core and a crowd to core working together. Kind of like Jesus preaching, and his disciples. Or the disciples and the deacons.

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