Comments on: What About Alcohol at Group Meetings?

By: Mark Howell

Mark Howell — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:37:29 +0000

Love the alternate take! I have definitely known small group leaders (and churches) where that would be part of their culture and strategy. It would make it easier for some people to “fit in.” At the same time, it adds a variable to the success of a group (disciplined participation) that is not always easy to manage.
I’ve found it easier for churches to take the “not at a group meeting” stance, but that may be my own roots talking!
mark

By: Jay Daniell

Jay Daniell — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:13:28 +0000

God must want me to be breif on this issue. I was mostly through a multi-page disortation on this when I hit the wrong button and lost it all….
If small groups are an entry point into the Kingdom, and if we are trying to attact those who who are lost, and if in our local culture alcohol use is a vice used by many, then it would seem logical to allow people to take next steps in their spiritual journey beginning from where they are. This might mean setting aside our personal convictions in order to be used by God to influence the culture around us. It would seem that Paul had similar feelings as he describes in 1 Corinthians 9: 19-23.

By: Mark Howell

Mark Howell — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:32:02 +0000

Clearly a challenge. Back to the beginning, your church’s convictions (no doubt based on a scriptural position) will form the basis for what you ask your leaders to do (or not do). Not the place for idealism. Pragmatic evaluation of convictions and then teaching small group leaders how to exercise grace and truth is at the heart of decentralized ministry.
mark

By: Ben

Ben — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:11:12 +0000

Good thoughts, Mark. But can we, as small group leaders/coaches/pastors, forbid what Scripture has not expressly forbid? I might think it’s the wise choice to not watch The Closer because I think it’s wrong to do so, but it doesn’t necessarily make me more spiritual. Instead, Paul may be saying the opposite in 1 Corinthians 10, that those who had a strong conscience should bear with the weak, and that the weak should work to change their consciences! Paul never condemns the act in question. He urges us to change our minds, our consciences (what we feel to be right), so that what we feel to be right/wrong is in line with Scripture. So, it right for us to condemn what God’s Word hasn’t?

By: Mark Howell

Mark Howell — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:37:02 +0000

Great questions! Where does it stop? I actually think it’s more of a “where does it start” discussion. Like the Apostle Paul, all of us ought to be in a life-long journey where we are constantly changing and becoming more and more like Christ. At the same time, Jesus regularly found ways to hang with folks who didn’t yet have it all figured out. He had great freedom, could have done anything, but set His own interests aside for the sake of others.
On the very personal front, I love Lost and The Closer, listen to U2, Coldplay and the Eagles, need a couple great cups of coffee every morning (not to mention a real affection for chocolate). And yet…as much as I enjoy the freedom to savor those things…I need to be willing to set them aside if they might cause someone to stumble.
Great questions! Love the dialogue. Also love to be on the journey with people who are really trying to figure this thing out.
mark

By: Ben

Ben — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:13:02 +0000

Mark, I agree with you on this, but where does it stop? Should we also ban things like TV watching, secular music being played, and caffeinated drinks because there are some people who may struggle with overindulgence?
I’m not trying to be argumentative, just fair and biblical to small group leaders who are serving the Lord with all that they’ve got.